diff --git a/lib/Client.js b/lib/Client.js
index 1d426fc74..9f2a26913 100644
--- a/lib/Client.js
+++ b/lib/Client.js
@@ -879,10 +879,6 @@ var Client = (function () {
 			var data;
 
 			if (role instanceof ServerPermissions || role.type === "role") {
-				for (var key in updatedStuff) {
-					role[key] = updatedStuff[key];
-				}
-
 				data = ad(updatedStuff);
 				data.id = role.id;
 				data.type = "role";
diff --git a/lib/Member.js b/lib/Member.js
index f19b68e4d..7227e08e7 100644
--- a/lib/Member.js
+++ b/lib/Member.js
@@ -134,6 +134,7 @@ var Member = (function (_User) {
 			    //cache roles as it can be slightly expensive
 			basePerm = basePerms[0].packed;
 
+			basePerms = basePerms || [];
 			for (var _iterator5 = basePerms, _isArray5 = Array.isArray(_iterator5), _i5 = 0, _iterator5 = _isArray5 ? _iterator5 : _iterator5[Symbol.iterator]();;) {
 				var _ref5;
 
diff --git a/src/Client.js b/src/Client.js
index ee8810c2e..4134e30d5 100644
--- a/src/Client.js
+++ b/src/Client.js
@@ -954,10 +954,6 @@ class Client {
 			var data;
 			
 			if( role instanceof ServerPermissions || role.type === "role" ){
-				for(var key in updatedStuff){
-					role[key] = updatedStuff[key];
-				}
-				
 				data = ad(updatedStuff);
 				data.id = role.id;
 				data.type = "role";
diff --git a/src/Member.js b/src/Member.js
index 63429b973..4ab8ad56e 100644
--- a/src/Member.js
+++ b/src/Member.js
@@ -25,7 +25,8 @@ class Member extends User{
 	get evalPerms(){
 		var basePerms = this.roles, //cache roles as it can be slightly expensive
 			basePerm = basePerms[0].packed;
-			
+		
+		basePerms = basePerms || [];
 		for(var perm of basePerms){
 			basePerm = basePerm | perm.packed;
 		}
diff --git a/test/bot.1.js b/test/bot.1.js
index c3e13af5f..722656d26 100644
--- a/test/bot.1.js
+++ b/test/bot.1.js
@@ -25,16 +25,21 @@ mybot.on("message", function (message) {
 	} else {
 		user = message.sender;
 	}
-	
-	this.createRole( message.channel.server, {
-		hoist : true,
-		color : true,
-		manageRoles : true,
-		name : "discord users"
-	} ).then(
+
+	this.createRole(message.channel.server, {
+		hoist: true,
+		color: true,
+		name: "discord users"
+	}).then(
 		(perm) => {
-			
-			mybot.addMemberToRole( user, perm );
+
+			mybot.addMemberToRole(user, perm).then(
+				() => {
+					mybot.overwritePermissions(message.channel, perm, {
+						sendMessages : false		
+					});
+				}
+			)
 			
 		}
 	)